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Truthfully, if the straight people on this site thought it was only a gay issue, do you think the discussion would have been so active, and so supportive, for so many pages? is a bubble - it does not represent reality or the real world. As we all know, the real world is mean, cruel and unkind.
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Phil - truthfully, I didn't think you were attacking anyone. I intended my post as a gentle & supportive reminder, not in any way as a rebuke.
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What this will take is straight people talking to their friends about human rights and the separation of church and state. You folks are more likely to have access to those who are willing to listen than most gay people are. You have their trust and confidence so when you say something, it may get listened to.
The civil rights movement may have been led and inspired by Rev. King and other black men and women, but it gained power when whites joined them and used their influence and power. I very much agree with what you said here, Phil. An analogy (as in not a derailment) is the health care crisis. Until the comfortably insured, medically taken care of populace jumps in to help us, it's a slow go, maybe even a no go. I do my part every chance I get. I think I'm making progress with my sister and my brothers too. A large portion of my world is gay and lesbian. I always do all I can.
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...Reader Rant is a bubble - it does not represent reality or the real world. As we all know, the real world is mean, cruel and unkind. A truth that escapes many: Networld is a place where logic and fact are often suspended and where what should be tends to isomorphically replace what is.
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I'm sorry, how does that make Networld different from the "real" world? We have many alternative realities outside the Net as well. And we've had more of those for a longer period. I think it is just normal human behavior moved to a new, more immediately available and more broadly distributable medium. Insanity on line.
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A gentle reminder to all to stay on topic in this thread. Alternate realities might make an interesting thread on it's own. ![[Linked Image from layoutsandcodes.com]](http://www.layoutsandcodes.com/myspace-smilies/tinfoilhat.gif) ...  Thank you, SkyHawk, Admin
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Not meaning to quibble, but much of the opposition to equal rights for all, including the segment most directly affected in this thread, is itself an exercise in the very kind of alternative reality being broached here. There is no "there" in their bugaboo bag but they have fashioned a reality in which they think the whole matter of preference for others is something on which they need to legislate.
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No quibble at all. I agree with your statement, logan. 
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Not meaning to quibble, but much of the opposition to equal rights for all, including the segment most directly affected in this thread, is itself an exercise in the very kind of alternative reality being broached here. There is no "there" in their bugaboo bag but they have fashioned a reality in which they think the whole matter of preference for others is something on which they need to legislate. My point which began the thread drift is that here at RR - you're basically preaching to the choir. To pat onself on the back for pages of supportive prose doesn't change the minds of the voters who voted for legal discrimination and to change to the California Constitution. Simply becuase support is on-going here at RR doesn't make it so "in the real world" nor at the ballot box. Support here doesn't translate to support outside of RR.
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Simply becuase support is on-going here at RR doesn't make it so "in the real world" nor at the ballot box. Support here doesn't translate to support outside of RR. It is somewhat reflective of it though. Prop 8 did not win in a landslide - it was about 50/50. Support is obviously higher than that among those posting, though there may be just as many RR members who disagree and have not posted. That is in "real life" too. You don't hear a lot of people proudly proclaiming that they voted "Yes" on 8 now that they've won. They are the ones who want to forget about it. I would like to believe it is because they know what they've done is indefensible (that's my fantasy and I'm sticking to it).
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