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It was a reference to what Trump would do if he lost the 2020. He led an insurrection, so yes, it can happen in America, and not only that but he is poised to repeat in 2024. You still seem to believe he is a normal candidate ... I don't know why ... all I can type is .... yes it CAN happen in America and it is happening as I type.

Trump is not the old time normal candidate of America's past. He represents the worst in American political thought, having it's seeds sown some 30 years ago by conservative Republican anarchists. Should Trump lose the vote, expect the most insidiously egregious attack on Democracy from Trump and his loyalists, at the local, state, and federal levels. And if you don't think it can happen in America ... well ...

Instead of just looking at this upcoming rematch from inside the anti-Trump cocoon, I step outside and take a good view of the entire electorate trying to figure out where things stand today and if possible, why. I’m as much anti-Trump as anyone else, but being anti-Trump isn’t going to change the reasons why we have an election coming which gives him a 50-50 shot at regaining the white house. That shouldn’t be but is. It’s reality. Why is this so? I get the feeling that few care. Perhaps they’re right, it seems there’s nothing at this point that could change the dynamics of this rematch or who the candidates are.

A lot has changed since 2020. Trump hasn’t become more popular; he’s still disliked and unwanted by around 55% of all Americans. But Biden has dropped to the level of Trump in the dislike and unwanted column. According to Gallup, independents, the non-affiliated, the less to non-partisan group of voters make up 41% of the electorate today. They’ve went from viewing Biden positively, viewing Trump negatively as their vote for Biden in 2020 proves 54-41. To viewing both Biden and Trump negatively today. Hence you have the basic tie between Biden and Trump. You have a third of independents refusing to choose between Biden and Trump, they dislike both, they don’t want neither one. They’re falling into the vote third party, will not vote, undecided columns. They made their choice in 2020 for Biden, this year they’re not making any choice.

It's not that I disagree with you. I don’t. It’s the study of these swing voters, the non-affiliates, the less to non-partisans that has always grabbed my interest. For these voters, Trump was alone in the doghouse in 2020, 2024, Biden has joined Trump in the doghouse. Which is impossible for most anti-Trumpers and democrats to understand or even acknowledge. Trump hasn’t gained any support from swing voters, he’s lost some, down from 41% to 37% today. But Biden has lost the support of almost 20 points worth, down from 54% to 35%. Which really put the emphasis on the dislike and unwantedness these swing voters have, feel for both major party candidates. I repeat, the democrats have chosen the wrong candidate to ensure Trump’s defeat. That almost any other democratic candidate than Biden in my opinion would be wiping the floor with Trump. But the DNC and Democratic Party leadership made sure, used all their powers to ensure Biden wouldn’t be challenged in the Democratic Primaries. You have this prior to the primaries - Poll: Two-thirds of Democrat-leaning voters don't want Biden as 2024 nominee

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/poll-biden-2024-second-term-democrat-voters-cnn

I agree with you, but this won’t stop me studying swing voters. They’re the election deciders. Not neither major party’s base. Not the pro or anti-Trumpers either, but those who dislike and don’t want neither Biden nor Trump to become the next president, how they vote, if they do vote will decide this election.