I wish this discussion had not encroached upon this thread, and I apologize for extending the encroachment. Can we get back to this topic and leave that discussion for the other thread, please?

A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.

Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich