“ Some people are so in love with Socialism, they can't see what that label evokes in 95% of American voters. Generations of voters will have to die out before the specter of Soviet Socialism is forgotten”

Hmmm, I suppose you’re referring to me. I’m an any means necessary guy and if we get a better, sane and equitable redistribution of resources, I don’t care who’s brand it comes from. Fun fact about the Soviet Union. Most of the older, less critical generations of Americans are thoroughly indoctrinated by Cold War propaganda when it comes to the Soviets. Now that there’s been some time and distance we’re learning more of the facts from the fiction. One being they lifted more people out of poverty faster than anywhere else on earth. Conversely, with Perestroika came an awareness by its Liberal classes that they were embarrassingly unequal compared to liberals in the west. It was that class that dissolved the Soviet Union which, at the time, had broad popular support for maintaining.
What followed was a neoliberal assault on their society much like we conduct in other parts of the world. Fraudulent loans to use debt to asset strip their public goods and services. I believe it was our own US ambassador who was quoted as saying he witnessed the largest pillaging of a society in human history during the Clinton years. A pillaging that led to many premature deaths that some put in the millions.
I may not love socialism but I’ve learned to loath liberals and conservatives alike. They’re simply kissing cousins to one another but broadly agree. State violence, taxation, etc..
I think it will take the passing of boomers, the most indoctrinated generation, IMO, to fade before we can see any movement towards true economic, racial justice. There will be the court system to act as a bulwark to maintain the current political economy. Here, too, liberals have been complicit.

“ As for "Medicare For All", that phrase can mean lots of things to different people. I know very well that any Medicare For All plan we would actually end up with would be much more like the current Medicare, but with younger people paying to buy into it, than Bernie's plan.”.

- It will always mean a lot to many people if you don’t take the trouble to read and understand it. Hard to have a debate with anyone who ‘knows’ what the future events will be and is arguing from that place and not the present.

65k/year die. Cost more than anywhere else on earth. Delivers poor results. That’s some boiling!

Last edited by chunkstyle; 10/25/20 02:55 PM.