Originally Posted by jgw
We need universal healthcare provided by society - just like the police and fire departments. Everybody is involved and everybody pays for it. There are a lot of different ways to do that and should study on it before doing it.

The real problem is the word 'social', in all its permutations. Bernie, for instance, lost because he insisted on attaching the word "socialist" to his name. Socialism, regardless of how used is anathema in America. Its just the way it is. We really need to get it done but its not gonna happen if them trying to get it done even mentions it, let alone putting it in print. They MUST dance around that word, and all permutations. as its deadly and certainly proven in the last few years.

I know, its stupid, makes no sense, and WTF all apply - don't make no different as its a fact. The really unfortunate part is there seems to be a Democratic segment who are determined to use the word every chance they get even though the results are always bad.

Oh, words make a difference!

Sanders lost with vote thru DNC vote rigging and the coordination of campaigns to collapse into one candidate on super Tuesday.

The DNC took over the vote counts in Iowa when it appeared that Sanders was going to win there. We still don't know the final vote tallies from this action except Sanders won but his bounce was suppressed coming out of that win. Had nothing to do with cold war 'Socialism'.

Two of the top candidates, below the front runner Sanders, dropped out of the race and threw their support behind the DNC establishment chosen candidate Biden, who had the lowest electoral count going into super Tuesday. Again, the word 'Socialism' had nothing to do with that activity.

This makes a mockery of democratic voting, by the way, and makes any attempt with liberals fretting over concerns of Republican's stealing in the general so much of the pot calling the kettle black. Refusal to defend the primary election has made that class completely phony. Russian conspiracies to explain the loss of the last general election makes them no better than Qanon, IMO. A similar refusal to face reality but it's baked in the cake now. I'm digressing..

The Sanders campaign had the most consistent level of stickiness and consistent rise in the polling over time. His campaign was the most diverse, in terms of ethnicity, gender and age, than any other candidates. His campaign and supporters were, much like 2016, reviled as homophobic, misogynistic, and racist by the liberal leaning media. That message was picked up and echoed, as efficiently as any propaganda piece could have been, by witting viewer participants. Some here were guilty of that IIRC.

Socialism scare tactics came from liberal/conservative media alike when the threat of his candidacy was taking off. Their use of the word looks to have been shrugged off from the polling record across the entire timeline of the primary. He simply ran out of runway before the DNC acted to close the airport. He should have gone after Biden harder, reducing his favorability before they closed the airport. Would have made it harder for Obama and co. to do so. Oh well, hindsight...

I think 'Socialism!' had little effect, much like Trumps rudeness and boorishness, as the political center has become more illegitimate with more voters now. Being different was a bonus, actually, and the Sanders campaign crashed against the wall of back room coordination by Obama and the DNC more than a cold war relic that still stirs in the Boomer subconscious.

No, it was illiberal co-ordination of Obama, DNC party (Perez, Mook, etc..) and media than a word that has only grown in popularity over the decades of neoliberalism.


Last edited by chunkstyle; 10/25/20 02:59 PM.